Christ Rescuing Peter from Drowning. Lorenzo Veneziano, 1370 SOURCE

If anyone thinks that Kwasniewski will โ€œat leastโ€ conserve the liturgy as it was they need to think again. He openly praises the liturgical chaos, decadence and heterodoxy of the contrived eighteenth-century โ€œGallicanโ€ liturgies as the template for the โ€œfutureโ€ of the Latin rite. This goes well with his chaotic view of ecclesiastical utopia resembling the Council of Constance.

Kwasniewskiโ€™s terms become relativistic:

โ€œThe Latin and Greek churches have โ€ฆ [each] preserved certain truths or features better than the other has doneโ€.

In a footnote, Peter Kwasniewski simultaneously says he doesnโ€™t question the Catholic Churchโ€™s note of Unity yet frontally contradicts it again, claiming, โ€œThere is an objective woundednessโ€ to the Catholic Church โ€ฆ by the lack of the Eastern provincesโ€.

According to Catholic dogma the Church lacks nothing to its unity, but Kwasniewski declares that it does lack, existentially, because the Orthodox churches are not part of it. What is more, they have โ€œpreserved certain truth or featuresโ€ better than the Catholic Church.

Nothing about the One True Church here.

Kwasniewski supplies the premises but not the full detail of his fluid notion of Catholic belief.

These problems tie in with the High Church Modernist Synodal way, which views โ€œbeliefโ€ as dependant on, and subsequent to the โ€œassembled Eucharistic communityโ€.

Modernism

Letโ€™s see what kind of tradition Tierneyโ€™s book leads to.

โ€œTraditionโ€ redefined as the assembled Christian community, not defined doctrine

To illustrate the โ€œearly Churchโ€™s understanding of scriptureโ€, Tierney quotes Fr. George Tavard, a modernist ecumenist at Vatican II, who declared the ordination of women โ€œnecessary for the survival of the Churchโ€ (16).

Tierney โ€œcriticisesโ€ Dollinger, (who was condemned for denying the dogmas of Vatican I) for not going โ€œfar enoughโ€. (15) Tierney denies tradition and Church magisterium in Protestant fashion, claiming that the Catholic understanding of tradition was invented in the thirteenth
century.

He asserts that before that, Saint Paulโ€™s injunction to hold to what had been passed down, โ€œwhether by word or by our epistleโ€ referred only to โ€œliturgical or pious practicesโ€.

As further โ€œproofโ€, he cites Tavard again. (16) A denial of the jurisdictional supremacy of the papacy is the core of this work, which tries to find support for the conciliarist heresy that a Council is superior to the Pope (46). Tierney carefully avoids properly discussing Saint Thomas Aquinasโ€™ unambiguous defence of papal authority and infallibility, which he says is a โ€œdubious traditionโ€ to cite (246).

The upshot of Tierneyโ€™s scholarship is: The Church โ€œhas always been prone to error and โ€˜unfailing in faithโ€™โ€. (280) Finally, Tierney demands the Church โ€œrenounceโ€ the dogma of papal infallibility. (281)

Tierneyโ€™s paradox of a Catholic Church that has always been โ€œprone to errorโ€ yet full of โ€œfaithโ€, might inspire a modernist Church on its long โ€œsearchโ€ without dogma, and which โ€œbelievesโ€ without knowing the truth.

But how do these errors square with Peter Kwasnieskiโ€™s claim that he does not reject Vatican I? Does he also refer those who follow his link to Tierney to a work that systematically rebuts each of Tierneyโ€™s mistaken historical claims?

He ought to, because the sole purpose of the work was to provide reasons not to believe the Catholic faith on several points. Is it too unkind to conclude that Kwasniewski just believes in Tierneyโ€™s โ€œhistoryโ€ and wants us to as well?

The path to nowhere

The key to this paradox is Flanders and Kwasniewskiโ€™s adoption of the โ€œpilgrim Churchโ€, the โ€œeucharistic communityโ€ as the source of expressions of belief. Once we accept this, โ€œbeliefโ€ follows the โ€œbeingโ€ of the ecclesial community.

Cardinal Marx couldnโ€™t put it better.

Catholic belief becomes fuzzy, starting with what is โ€œnon-essentialโ€. The first step is to affirm that, although โ€œlay peopleโ€ canโ€™t know what to think about matters of โ€œtheological opinionโ€, it is legitimate for all (including clergy) to revisit all kinds of bizarre, even semi-heretical ideas in the name of rejecting Thomistic โ€œexclusivismโ€.

The article sums up Flandersโ€™ position: Thomism is simply another set of opinions like โ€œscottismโ€ฆ and Karol Wojtyล‚aโ€™s phenomenological personalism) that are not of the faithโ€”or de fide, as they sayโ€”but are compatible with the faith. Let us be free to enjoy themโ€.

The Church says otherwise. Since Trent, it has clearly stated that Thomism is the best philosophical and theological approach. Thomism stands in the way of modernist ideas, whether of high or low church kind.

But who are the iconoclasts here?

In the name of dispensing with what is not a โ€œcore Catholic beliefโ€ the high church modernists have so far proved to be very destructive of icons: papal infallibility can be โ€œrevisedโ€ or discarded; the Pope gets his authority from a parliamentary Church, devils are not enemies of God (Tomberg), and can be befriended and go to heaven; the Church lacks its essential Note of Unity; frequent communion is an iconoclastic revolution of Pius X; the Church merges into civil society as in Anglicanism and Lutheranism; Saint Thomas Aquinas is out, unless dressed-up as a neo-Platonist occultist; the Church is infested by Tombergโ€™s evil and long-condemned occultist ideas. All this is done to save the Church from its โ€œcursedโ€ last millennium.

Modernism
Bishop John Zizioulas SOURCE

Flandersโ€™ roadmap to โ€œfreedom and truthโ€

In a recent post, Tim Flanders declares,

The โ€œbeing is communionโ€ quote linked a work by Greek Orthodox bishop John Zizioulas (1931-2023). The book isnโ€™t presented as an interesting scholarly work with โ€œa few problemsโ€, but as the โ€œsolutionโ€.

Itโ€™s worth looking at what it says because it mirrors what Kwasniewski and Flanders are promoting, and says things they perhaps feel not yet able to say.

The book not only rejects Catholic belief concerning the Mass and the constitution of the Church; it even rejects standard Orthodox Church beliefs, adopting a view based on modern existentialist philosophy and falsely claiming a basis in fourth-century Fathers of the Church.

The central thesis of the book is the modern error that the human person has no existence per se except in relation to other persons. This attacks the existence of the human being, a body/soul composite whose very nature embodies personhood. Itโ€™s a post-Enlightenment error; Marxists have a similar view.

For Zizioulas, โ€œtruthโ€ is the expression of the assembled Eucharistic community: the revelation of โ€œChrist-truthโ€ continues up to the present in the โ€œcontinuing Pentecostโ€ of the Church; invoking the โ€œconciliarismโ€ of โ€œthe early Churchโ€, he implies that โ€œRevelationโ€” has not ended (116).

But perhaps this does not matter much:

โ€œCredal definitions carry no relation with truth in themselves but only in their being doxological acclamations of the worshipping communityโ€ (117).

This is as extreme as the worst modernist ghettoes in the post-conciliar Church (Zizioulas continually praises Yves Congar). It is also the key to understanding how Kwasniewski views even the definitions of all the Ecumenical Councils, and why he feels free to question traditional papal magisterium and revisit Vatican I: dogmas have โ€œno meaningโ€ outside the โ€œeucharistic assemblyโ€.

It also illustrates what Kwasniewski means when he speaks of lex orandi determining lex credendi. The โ€œcommunityโ€ rules.

For Zizioulas, the Councils were expressions of the truth simply โ€œbecause the bishops were the heads of their communitiesโ€ฆ The communitiesโ€™ unity in identity is the foundation of conciliar infallibilityโ€ (117); โ€œThe apostolic succession has to pass to the community through communionโ€ (116).

Rather than priestly orders conferring an indelible character on the ordinand, Zizioulas states that orders cannot be exercised except as part of a community (164); โ€œin episcopal succession, therefore, we
essentially have succession of communitiesโ€ (198); Baptism is also an โ€œordinationโ€, โ€œThere is no such thing as โ€œnon-ordained personsโ€ in the Churchโ€ (216); ordination and ministry are defined through the relation to the community (220); if a priest or bishop is separated from his community โ€œhe ceases to be an ordained personโ€ (233).

He admits that โ€œChristian tradition itselfโ€ is guilty of distinguishing between the Church and civil society as Catholic teaching does; foreshadowing Morelloโ€™s neo-pagan animism, Zizioulas asserts โ€œSalvationโ€ consists in โ€œenchantmentโ€ of nature. Humanityโ€™s purpose is โ€œto make nature too, capable of communionโ€ (119).

Finally, in line with the recent Kwasniewski/Vigilius Manifesto: โ€œVatican II has given hope and promise to many peopleโ€ฆ [but] Vatican II has not completed its workโ€ (141). Zizioulas hoped for a โ€œVatican III to push communion to its ontological conclusionsโ€. He hoped it would do something about that โ€œstumbling blockโ€, the โ€œministry of the Popeโ€ (142)โ€.

Zizoulasโ€™ ideas are not original. They are not even โ€œOrthodoxโ€; he dislikes the Orthodox Church of the last several centuries, describing it as a โ€œBabylonian captivityโ€, much like Morello and Kwasniewskiโ€™s view of the traditional Catholic Church as being โ€œhexedโ€ for the last thousand years.

But Zizioulas mirrors our Catholic modernists in the Orthodox Churches, where this mentality is even further advanced โ€“ one ought not be misled by the liturgies. What โ€œbeing as communionโ€ fails to appreciate is that there is no โ€œcommunionโ€ without the Catholic faith, or without the visible foundation of unity on earth, which is the Pope, who is not empowered by the community immediately (as Kwasniewski asserts), but receives his authority directly from Christ.

Communalism leads to loss of the faith

By throwing up for grabs the pre-conciliar Church, the high church modernists expose the faith of their followers to fracture. This was the case of Rod Dreher and Steve Skojec, who both held views like those of Kwasniewski and Flanders long before losing the faith.

One of his posts, ostensibly dealing with the nastiness of the Church saying adherence to doctrine is not optional, asserts:

Is this so radically different from Tierney and Peter Kwasniewskiโ€™s notion that traditional infallible magisterium is up for grabs and Vatican I needs correcting (as in his Vigilius Manifesto)?

What is striking about Skojecโ€™s material is how the same anti-dogmatic, anti-traditional mentality got him there in the first place. He no longer accepts Catholic magisterium, and logically โ€œwe donโ€™t know what to believe anymore. We donโ€™t know how to discern what is true from what is falseโ€.

But Kwasniewski said this magisterium (which would have told him exactly what to believe) was โ€œup for grabsโ€. Now, for Kwasniewski, reinventing traditional Catholicism might be a fascinating livelihood; for any normal Catholic, it is soul-destroying.

Skojec says,

โ€œPeople are becoming less religious, and traditional religions are fragmentingโ€ฆ a growing consensus that we areโ€ฆ not alone in the universeโ€ฆ may lead to public disclosure [about โ€œaliensโ€] and widespread ontological shockโ€.

Traditional Catholics can experience and resist this crisis, like others in the past, because we believe Our Lordโ€™s promise to the Church and to Saint Peter who is with us in the papacy. But if we think the Church is an โ€œassembled communionโ€ empowering its leadership and doctrine, resolving the Church crisis becomes a human undertaking with no objective template to work by.

Kwasniewski may say the template is the Gallican rituals of eighteenth-century France, fourteenth-century conciliarism, and whatever we decide to pick and choose from Vatican II and its aftermath, or indeed from the rest of the Churchโ€™s Councils. If Steve Skojec agreed with him, he would be taking up just another opinion with small chance of success.

Kwasniewski says he doesnโ€™t leave the Church because the Latin rite happens to be his home and some aspects of Orthodoxy arenโ€™t comfortable. But these things are contingent and can change. Kwasniewski is full of his project to reinvent the Church of the last half millennium which disgusts him, into something he can feel comfortable in, and gets applauded by people who think heโ€™s doing something else.

But those of his followers who are truly ideologised donโ€™t have such interesting lives. What happens to their faith when theyโ€™ve finished reading Tomberg, Tierney and Zizoulas?

What premises have Kwasniewski and Flanders provided young Catholics to stay in the Church when those authors persuade them that the Faith is wrong?


By Vinicius.ย Vinicius is a Melbourne-based historian-researcherย  focussing on early modernity as the Christian Western alternative to ideological, Enlightenment modernity.ย ย 

ENDNOTES

  1. https://onepeterfive.com/wanderer-church-membership/ โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  2. https://onepeterfive.com/abandoning-church/ โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  3. Professor Kwasniewki’s Facebook post here โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  4. Brian Tierney, Origins of Papal Infallibility 1150-1350, Brill, Leyden 1972, p. 5. โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  5. https://onepeterfive.com/sedevacantism-the-sspx-clerical-questions-that-need-not-concern-the-laity/ โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  6. https://www.academia.edu/39601109/Have_you_Tried_Scotus_Aquinas_Didnt_Know_Everything โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  7. https://onepeterfive.com/on-the-trad-mishandling-of-vatican-ii-pt-1-the-pope-and-the-liturgy/ โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  8. https://onepeterfive.com/the-sspxs-confession-of-faith-obfuscation-or-open-hearts-dialogue-is-the-answer/ โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  9. https://paxorbis.org/2026/01/31/chesterton-on-false-mysticism-and-pagan-animism/ โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  10. John Zizioulas, Being as Communion. Studies in Personhood and the Church, St Vladimirโ€™s Seminary Press, Crestwood 1985, p. 22 โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  11. https://onepeterfive.com/new-ceo-for-pelican-plus/ โ†ฉ๏ธŽ
  12. https://skojecfile.steveskojec.com/p/the-problem-with-dogma โ†ฉ๏ธŽ

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