Vinicius provides another fascinating analysis of some disturbing errors which are being promulgated by ‘traditionalist’ commentators. His previous articles on High Church Modernism can be found here, here and here.
When Peter Kwasniewski defined that all pre-Vatican II magisterium was โup for grabsโ (see High Church Modernism part II) he opened up a process that leads to the loss of faith. He points people in heterodox and occultist directions, sometimes saying he doesnโt embrace every single false notion (without specifying which).

At first sight, this looks furtive. But it may be beyond Kwasniewskiโs ability to clearly state what he believes the Church should be, because he canโt โknowโ it due to the conciliarist nature of his ideology: both past and future Church teaching can vary because โbeliefsโ are merely โliturgical acclamationsโ expressing the unity of the assembled Christian community (as in Tim Flandersโ โfreedom and truthโ below).
If anyone thinks that Kwasniewski will โat leastโ conserve the liturgy as it was they need to think again. He openly praises the liturgical chaos, decadence and heterodoxy of the contrived eighteenth-century โGallicanโ liturgies as the template for the โfutureโ of the Latin rite. This goes well with his chaotic view of ecclesiastical utopia resembling the Council of Constance.
A previous article (the High Church Modernist Synodal Way) looked at Kwasniewskiโs heretical view that the Popes derive their authority immediately from the Church as a body of laity and faithful instead of from Christ. This modernist, Protestantising stance even places doubt on whether the Catholic Church is the One True Church.
Writing to a member of a schismatic Eastern Church he declares: โI do not think there is any absolutely decisive and unobjectionable โproofโ that one must be in union with the Catholic Church centred in Romeโ.1
Kwasniewskiโs terms become relativistic:
โThe Latin and Greek churches have โฆ [each] preserved certain truths or features better than the other has doneโ.
In a footnote, Peter Kwasniewski simultaneously says he doesnโt question the Catholic Churchโs note of Unity yet frontally contradicts it again, claiming, โThere is an objective woundednessโ to the Catholic Church โฆ by the lack of the Eastern provincesโ.
According to Catholic dogma the Church lacks nothing to its unity, but Kwasniewski declares that it does lack, existentially, because the Orthodox churches are not part of it. What is more, they have โpreserved certain truth or featuresโ better than the Catholic Church.
This is untrue. Kwasniewski only provides contingent reasons of personal preference for not joining an Orthodox church himself. 2
Nothing about the One True Church here.
Kwasniewski supplies the premises but not the full detail of his fluid notion of Catholic belief.
These problems tie in with the High Church Modernist Synodal way, which views โbeliefโ as dependant on, and subsequent to the โassembled Eucharistic communityโ.
Unconsolable over the scarcity of a notorious book attacking the dogma of papal infallibility, Kwasniewski gives it a plug: โitโs absurd that this book is out of printโ 3 .

The book (Origins of Papal Infallibility 1150-1350, by Brian Tierney) rejects papal infallibility and the irreversibility of defined dogma.
Kwasniewski later defended the advertisement: despite being โwrong on certain pointsโ it was a shame this โscholarly workโ was hard to find. It was a similar tack with Tombergโs Meditations on the Tarot, a monstrous treatise on occultism that promotes โfriendshipโ with devils, which had a few โproblemsโ but โledโ Kwasniewski to โtraditionโ; he recently published a book centred on the defence of Tombergโs views.
Letโs see what kind of tradition Tierneyโs book leads to.
Straight off the mark, it doubles down on modernist ecclesiology. Like the recent Kwasniewski/Vigilius Manifesto (see the High Church Modernist Synodal Way), Tierney was upset that Vatican II did not โreviseโ the dogma of papal infallibility defined at Vatican I. 4
Writing in 1972 as part of the post-conciliar steamrolling of traditional Catholicism (including ecclesiology), Tierney viewed with great โhopeโ Hans Kungโs โInfallible? An Inquiryโ (1970) and Dutch bishop Francis Simons, a modernist who flatly rejected papal infallibility, as the future course for the Church. Tierney offered his historical โexpertiseโ to help theologians โget out ofโ the โcul de sacโ of papal infallibility.
โTraditionโ redefined as the assembled Christian community, not defined doctrine
To illustrate the โearly Churchโs understanding of scriptureโ, Tierney quotes Fr. George Tavard, a modernist ecumenist at Vatican II, who declared the ordination of women โnecessary for the survival of the Churchโ (16).
Tierney โcriticisesโ Dollinger, (who was condemned for denying the dogmas of Vatican I) for not going โfar enoughโ. (15) Tierney denies tradition and Church magisterium in Protestant fashion, claiming that the Catholic understanding of tradition was invented in the thirteenth
century.
He asserts that before that, Saint Paulโs injunction to hold to what had been passed down, โwhether by word or by our epistleโ referred only to โliturgical or pious practicesโ.
As further โproofโ, he cites Tavard again. (16) A denial of the jurisdictional supremacy of the papacy is the core of this work, which tries to find support for the conciliarist heresy that a Council is superior to the Pope (46). Tierney carefully avoids properly discussing Saint Thomas Aquinasโ unambiguous defence of papal authority and infallibility, which he says is a โdubious traditionโ to cite (246).
The upshot of Tierneyโs scholarship is: The Church โhas always been prone to error and โunfailing in faithโโ. (280) Finally, Tierney demands the Church โrenounceโ the dogma of papal infallibility. (281)
Tierneyโs paradox of a Catholic Church that has always been โprone to errorโ yet full of โfaithโ, might inspire a modernist Church on its long โsearchโ without dogma, and which โbelievesโ without knowing the truth.
But how do these errors square with Peter Kwasnieskiโs claim that he does not reject Vatican I? Does he also refer those who follow his link to Tierney to a work that systematically rebuts each of Tierneyโs mistaken historical claims?
He ought to, because the sole purpose of the work was to provide reasons not to believe the Catholic faith on several points. Is it too unkind to conclude that Kwasniewski just believes in Tierneyโs โhistoryโ and wants us to as well?
At One Peter Five, Kwasniewskiโs coreligionist Tim Flanders pushes a similar line. Blurring the distinction between dogma and theological opinion, Flanders declares, โIt is not for the lay people to judge clerical questionsโ. 5
Under this heading, Flanders endorses without murmur the appearance in Vatican II texts of a merging of sacramental orders with episcopal jurisdiction. Flanders states that he canโt have an opinion on it because heโs not a cleric, but nevertheless Vatican II has โchangedโ the previous Catholic understanding (even though current Vatican practice contradicts the Vatican II innovation by delegating jurisdiction to lay people). Yet, as a โlaymanโ, he has no problem ascribing dogmatic certitude to a modernist-inspired anomaly, which he doesnโt understand anyway.
The path to nowhere
The key to this paradox is Flanders and Kwasniewskiโs adoption of the โpilgrim Churchโ, the โeucharistic communityโ as the source of expressions of belief. Once we accept this, โbeliefโ follows the โbeingโ of the ecclesial community.
Cardinal Marx couldnโt put it better.
Catholic belief becomes fuzzy, starting with what is โnon-essentialโ. The first step is to affirm that, although โlay peopleโ canโt know what to think about matters of โtheological opinionโ, it is legitimate for all (including clergy) to revisit all kinds of bizarre, even semi-heretical ideas in the name of rejecting Thomistic โexclusivismโ.
Flanders directs readers to an article, โAquinas didnโt know everythingโ 6 that excitedly argues for huge โpossibilitiesโ after taking away Saint Thomasโ canonical status: we could embrace Duns Scotusโ view that devils could have committed minor as well as major sins, and that they can โrepentโ.
Potentially, therefore, devils could go to heaven. This ties in well with Tombergโs views on โbefriendingโ them. Pets going to heaven is another achievement which abandoning Thomism is said to allow.
The article sums up Flandersโ position: Thomism is simply another set of opinions like โscottismโฆ and Karol Wojtyลaโs phenomenological personalism) that are not of the faithโor de fide, as they sayโbut are compatible with the faith. Let us be free to enjoy themโ.
The Church says otherwise. Since Trent, it has clearly stated that Thomism is the best philosophical and theological approach. Thomism stands in the way of modernist ideas, whether of high or low church kind.
Flanders says, โThe only thing I will be rigid about is the dogmataโ, but contradicts this by his denial of the existence of the Church as a divinely-chartered society existing independently from civil society. In his haste to question everything that is not a โdogmaโ, Flanders tramples upon flowers of the Churchโs life like the practice of frequent communion (much as Cardinal Fernandez tramples upon Marian
theology and devotion for not being โdogmaโ), rubbishing it as โPius Xโs frequent communion revolutionโ and the foretaste of โiconoclasmโ. 7
But who are the iconoclasts here?
In the name of dispensing with what is not a โcore Catholic beliefโ the high church modernists have so far proved to be very destructive of icons: papal infallibility can be โrevisedโ or discarded; the Pope gets his authority from a parliamentary Church, devils are not enemies of God (Tomberg), and can be befriended and go to heaven; the Church lacks its essential Note of Unity; frequent communion is an iconoclastic revolution of Pius X; the Church merges into civil society as in Anglicanism and Lutheranism; Saint Thomas Aquinas is out, unless dressed-up as a neo-Platonist occultist; the Church is infested by Tombergโs evil and long-condemned occultist ideas. All this is done to save the Church from its โcursedโ last millennium.

Flandersโ roadmap to โfreedom and truthโ
In a recent post, Tim Flanders declares,
โIf we fail to follow the path of dialogos, the SSPX and Rome will continue to talk past each otherโฆ Only when we embrace the fact that โbeing is communionโโ, will there be understanding and truth.8
The โbeing is communionโ quote linked a work by Greek Orthodox bishop John Zizioulas (1931-2023). The book isnโt presented as an interesting scholarly work with โa few problemsโ, but as the โsolutionโ.
Itโs worth looking at what it says because it mirrors what Kwasniewski and Flanders are promoting, and says things they perhaps feel not yet able to say.
The book not only rejects Catholic belief concerning the Mass and the constitution of the Church; it even rejects standard Orthodox Church beliefs, adopting a view based on modern existentialist philosophy and falsely claiming a basis in fourth-century Fathers of the Church.
The central thesis of the book is the modern error that the human person has no existence per se except in relation to other persons. This attacks the existence of the human being, a body/soul composite whose very nature embodies personhood. Itโs a post-Enlightenment error; Marxists have a similar view.
Chesterton argues ferociously against this.9 One thing seems clear; when Kwasniewski and Flanders speak of renewed unity with Orthodox Churches, they mean unity with modernism like this:
For Zizioulas, the Eucharist is not a sacrament.10 He rejects โpre-Vatican IIโ Catholic ecclesiology and praises the post Vatican II tendencies (24-25). He attacks the Catholic faith concerning the Trinity (40); rejects the natural ontological existence of the human person by virtue of being a body/soul composite.
Instead individual personhood itself is โOriginal sinโ: โThis individualised and individualising Adam in us is our original sinโฆ A human being left to himself cannot be a personโ. He then cites Sarte as an authority (107). Apart from contradicting Christian doctrine, where does this leave the unborn and those who lose reason or never attain it, and who are not in a โsocial relationshipโ. Are they not persons too?
The Church, grace and the sacraments are subverted: โBetween Christ-truth and ourselves there is no gap to be filled by means of graceโ (111); โThe resurrectional aspect of baptism is therefore nothing other than incorporation into the communityโ (113);
In the Eucharist, Christ โdwellsโ as the โcommunionโ of the โcommunityโ (115). Zizioulas never clearly says that the presence of Our Lord in the Eucharist is not something distinct from the community itself. He sees the Mass as essentially a gathering of the community and a meal, โThe Eucharist, understood properly as a communityโ (165, 203.). There is no mention of the Real presence or of the sacrificial, propitiatory character of the Mass.
For Zizioulas, โtruthโ is the expression of the assembled Eucharistic community: the revelation of โChrist-truthโ continues up to the present in the โcontinuing Pentecostโ of the Church; invoking the โconciliarismโ of โthe early Churchโ, he implies that โRevelationโ” has not ended (116).
But perhaps this does not matter much:
โCredal definitions carry no relation with truth in themselves but only in their being doxological acclamations of the worshipping communityโ (117).
This is as extreme as the worst modernist ghettoes in the post-conciliar Church (Zizioulas continually praises Yves Congar). It is also the key to understanding how Kwasniewski views even the definitions of all the Ecumenical Councils, and why he feels free to question traditional papal magisterium and revisit Vatican I: dogmas have โno meaningโ outside the โeucharistic assemblyโ.
It also illustrates what Kwasniewski means when he speaks of lex orandi determining lex credendi. The โcommunityโ rules.
For Zizioulas, the Councils were expressions of the truth simply โbecause the bishops were the heads of their communitiesโฆ The communitiesโ unity in identity is the foundation of conciliar infallibilityโ (117); โThe apostolic succession has to pass to the community through communionโ (116).
Rather than priestly orders conferring an indelible character on the ordinand, Zizioulas states that orders cannot be exercised except as part of a community (164); โin episcopal succession, therefore, we
essentially have succession of communitiesโ (198); Baptism is also an โordinationโ, โThere is no such thing as โnon-ordained personsโ in the Churchโ (216); ordination and ministry are defined through the relation to the community (220); if a priest or bishop is separated from his community โhe ceases to be an ordained personโ (233).
He admits that โChristian tradition itselfโ is guilty of distinguishing between the Church and civil society as Catholic teaching does; foreshadowing Morelloโs neo-pagan animism, Zizioulas asserts โSalvationโ consists in โenchantmentโ of nature. Humanityโs purpose is โto make nature too, capable of communionโ (119).
Finally, in line with the recent Kwasniewski/Vigilius Manifesto: โVatican II has given hope and promise to many peopleโฆ [but] Vatican II has not completed its workโ (141). Zizioulas hoped for a โVatican III to push communion to its ontological conclusionsโ. He hoped it would do something about that โstumbling blockโ, the โministry of the Popeโ (142)โ.
Zizoulasโ ideas are not original. They are not even โOrthodoxโ; he dislikes the Orthodox Church of the last several centuries, describing it as a โBabylonian captivityโ, much like Morello and Kwasniewskiโs view of the traditional Catholic Church as being โhexedโ for the last thousand years.
But Zizioulas mirrors our Catholic modernists in the Orthodox Churches, where this mentality is even further advanced โ one ought not be misled by the liturgies. What โbeing as communionโ fails to appreciate is that there is no โcommunionโ without the Catholic faith, or without the visible foundation of unity on earth, which is the Pope, who is not empowered by the community immediately (as Kwasniewski asserts), but receives his authority directly from Christ.
Communalism leads to loss of the faith
By throwing up for grabs the pre-conciliar Church, the high church modernists expose the faith of their followers to fracture. This was the case of Rod Dreher and Steve Skojec, who both held views like those of Kwasniewski and Flanders long before losing the faith.
Flanders declares that a โdiabolically controlledโ Trad internet discourse caused his predecessor at One Peter Five to lose the faith.11
But this is not true. It is high church modernism that left people like Skojec with no intellectual defences for their faith. Flanders posted a link to Steve Skojecโs material: โyou should really go subscribe to his substackโ.
But why? Presumably not to read the self-absorbed scepticism that fills it. It seems, however, that Skojec still shares the same ideological framework as Kwasniewski and Flanders.
One of his posts, ostensibly dealing with the nastiness of the Church saying adherence to doctrine is not optional, asserts:
โI donโt think we need any โdogmaโ at all. You need teaching, sure. But the Church leaves herself no room to say, โHey, we got that one pretty wrong which is why weโre changing thisโ; โwhy is say, believing in papal infallibility or the Immaculate Conception as important as believing in the Trinity or the Incarnation? It gets hairy in the particulars.โ 12
Is this so radically different from Tierney and Peter Kwasniewskiโs notion that traditional infallible magisterium is up for grabs and Vatican I needs correcting (as in his Vigilius Manifesto)?
What is striking about Skojecโs material is how the same anti-dogmatic, anti-traditional mentality got him there in the first place. He no longer accepts Catholic magisterium, and logically โwe donโt know what to believe anymore. We donโt know how to discern what is true from what is falseโ.
But Kwasniewski said this magisterium (which would have told him exactly what to believe) was โup for grabsโ. Now, for Kwasniewski, reinventing traditional Catholicism might be a fascinating livelihood; for any normal Catholic, it is soul-destroying.
Skojec says,
โPeople are becoming less religious, and traditional religions are fragmentingโฆ a growing consensus that we areโฆ not alone in the universeโฆ may lead to public disclosure [about โaliensโ] and widespread ontological shockโ.
Traditional Catholics can experience and resist this crisis, like others in the past, because we believe Our Lordโs promise to the Church and to Saint Peter who is with us in the papacy. But if we think the Church is an โassembled communionโ empowering its leadership and doctrine, resolving the Church crisis becomes a human undertaking with no objective template to work by.
Kwasniewski may say the template is the Gallican rituals of eighteenth-century France, fourteenth-century conciliarism, and whatever we decide to pick and choose from Vatican II and its aftermath, or indeed from the rest of the Churchโs Councils. If Steve Skojec agreed with him, he would be taking up just another opinion with small chance of success.
Kwasniewski says he doesnโt leave the Church because the Latin rite happens to be his home and some aspects of Orthodoxy arenโt comfortable. But these things are contingent and can change. Kwasniewski is full of his project to reinvent the Church of the last half millennium which disgusts him, into something he can feel comfortable in, and gets applauded by people who think heโs doing something else.
But those of his followers who are truly ideologised donโt have such interesting lives. What happens to their faith when theyโve finished reading Tomberg, Tierney and Zizoulas?
What premises have Kwasniewski and Flanders provided young Catholics to stay in the Church when those authors persuade them that the Faith is wrong?
By Vinicius.ย Vinicius is a Melbourne-based historian-researcherย focussing on early modernity as the Christian Western alternative to ideological, Enlightenment modernity.ย ย
ENDNOTES
- https://onepeterfive.com/wanderer-church-membership/ โฉ๏ธ
- https://onepeterfive.com/abandoning-church/ โฉ๏ธ
- Professor Kwasniewki’s Facebook post here โฉ๏ธ
- Brian Tierney, Origins of Papal Infallibility 1150-1350, Brill, Leyden 1972, p. 5. โฉ๏ธ
- https://onepeterfive.com/sedevacantism-the-sspx-clerical-questions-that-need-not-concern-the-laity/ โฉ๏ธ
- https://www.academia.edu/39601109/Have_you_Tried_Scotus_Aquinas_Didnt_Know_Everything โฉ๏ธ
- https://onepeterfive.com/on-the-trad-mishandling-of-vatican-ii-pt-1-the-pope-and-the-liturgy/ โฉ๏ธ
- https://onepeterfive.com/the-sspxs-confession-of-faith-obfuscation-or-open-hearts-dialogue-is-the-answer/ โฉ๏ธ
- https://paxorbis.org/2026/01/31/chesterton-on-false-mysticism-and-pagan-animism/ โฉ๏ธ
- John Zizioulas, Being as Communion. Studies in Personhood and the Church, St Vladimirโs Seminary Press, Crestwood 1985, p. 22 โฉ๏ธ
- https://onepeterfive.com/new-ceo-for-pelican-plus/ โฉ๏ธ
- https://skojecfile.steveskojec.com/p/the-problem-with-dogma โฉ๏ธ





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